"Collboni's desire for a tripartite coalition in 2027 almost definitively distances us from any agreement."

Haven't they made any option for a pact with the PSC very expensive?

There's a fundamental problem: whether to trust someone or not. We don't trust Jaume Collboni. With all due respect, we believe he's a frivolous person, with little interest in working and only in looking good. Lots of photos, great vibes, but he's not serious about trying to fix things. He hasn't achieved anything in two years.

We don't trust Collboni. With all due respect, we believe he's a frivolous person with little interest in working.

What would Barcelona be like today with Trias as mayor?

We would have continued the good work of four years from 2011 to 2015.

Would the smart city concept make a comeback?

It's still just a brand, a wish. But behind the concept was a lot of work, a lot of future vision, and alliances with companies in the sector. We would have a city of order. Remember that in 2015, we left insecurity in seventh place among citizens' concerns. Since 2016, it has been in first place.

I'd like to review some current issues with you. Please provide a diagnosis and your proposed solution. Let's start with tourism and the tourist tax.

It's an important sector and we must nurture it. I think we've reached a certain limit; Barcelona doesn't need more tourists. But we need intelligent management that delivers the maximum benefit, rejecting tourism that doesn't interest us. Regarding the tourist tax, we oppose increasing taxes in general terms, which is why we've asked to reduce the property tax by 4%.

Tourist apartments.

We need a diverse and legal offering in the city. One good thing previous governments did was crack down on illegal housing. We disagree with the announcement that all of them will be eliminated by 2028, which won't happen. If anyone thinks the 10,000 legal tourist apartments will be converted into residential housing by royal decree, they're mistaken. It's an announcement that demonstrates Collboni is trying to please the Comuns and ERC. A few days ago, he said he aims to form a tripartite government in 2027. We're at polar opposites. This almost definitively distances us from possible agreements with him.

We'll get to those agreements later. Let's continue: tram along Diagonal.

We've always been against it. We could have saved around 400 million euros. But anyway, it's decided.

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The Via Augusta bike lane.

It shouldn't have been done. It should have been reworked, but we can't just keep destroying everything that's done wrong.

Would you get the Copa América back?

While we await the final audit, we can't make a strong statement. But it's curious that the anti-everything Colau brought the Copa América, with the richest people on the planet, and that Collboni, who claims to be business-friendly , kicked them out.

If anyone thinks that the 10,000 tourist apartments will be converted into residential housing, they are mistaken.

Housing. Let's get into the nitty-gritty.

Use the tools we already have at full speed. Prioritize public resources in the coming years. To have them, we need a broad city and national agreement, 10, 15, or 20 years in the future, that makes it clear that we all need to invest more and make things easier for private developers. We should also make the 30% social housing reserve for new construction or major renovations more flexible.

Ronda Litoral and Morrot. Would you revive the project to create a new neighborhood, Blau Ictínea de Trias, in the port?

It was a good foundation, but the years go by. There are more studies and reports. I think the goal remains valid. We can't have a cul-de-sac in that part of Barcelona. The starting point from 2011 was good, but it needs to be updated with the Generalitat and the State.

Recovery of the Tramvia Blau.

We've been waiting since 2018. It's a jewel of the city, an emblem. It closed overnight, and we've been misled about its return, now linked to the redevelopment of Tibidabo Avenue. Now it looks like it will cost more than €30 million. It's a serious and flagrant breach of contract. We hope that the 26th will be the year of the Tramvia Blau.

Hereu had the Diagonal consultation, Trias suffered at Can Vies, Colau endured the division and anger of Barcelona. What do you think will be the kryptonite of Collboni's term?

If things continue like this, the problem will be figuring out what Jaume Collboni has done or what problem he has solved. We're on the path to losing a municipal mandate.

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Ironically, there are a couple of issues in the hands of Junts that could prevent the void you're reporting: the 30% public housing reserve and the amendment to the Civic ordinance.

We're holding talks. We're not giving up on being actors, but we need to analyze the content and the government's ability to implement what was agreed upon. I don't see how Collboni could negotiate any agreement with Junts if he governs alongside BComú and Esquerra, as he wishes.

So you're closing the door on agreements with Collboni?

At the very least, it makes things very complicated because it's a deeply political declaration of intent. The same goes for the 30% reduction in public housing, a measure that hasn't been useful. But how is a government with Ada Colau or Janet Sanz, who want a 50% reserve, going to implement any modification to this measure? If they want to move toward a tripartite coalition, they won't find us.

How and when will the Junts candidate for the 2027 municipal elections be chosen?

It's in the hands of the party leadership. Personally, I would have liked to have this issue closed two years before the elections.

You have a municipal group full of potential candidates. You're among them, of course.

I see myself, of course, as others can. Not only do we have a municipal Champions League team, but there are also very good people in the party who could perfectly fulfill the role of candidate.

If he had initially led the group, having lost the mayoralty despite having won the elections, would he have promoted a PSC-Junts government?

It's hard to think about this in hindsight. We did what Xavier Trias considered, but I certainly wouldn't have done the same. I would have worked to achieve a governance model that would put Colau's eight years behind us.

Then I wouldn't have seen anything wrong with governing with Collboni.

Neither yes nor no. But the only certainty is that he remains alone, we have no agreement, and he remains with only 10 councilors.